http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Bridge_disasters_in_the_United_States
Here is a history of bridge collapses in USA

Did USA stop building buildings?

The bridges which collapsed in India were either too old or being built.None the less http://www.google.com.au/search?q=bridge+collapse+in+China&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

History of bridges collapsing in China

I am surprised that you defended the Chinese censorship of its media.
Next thing you know you will be defending its poor human records.

Anyway dear, I hope that you do not live in one of those Chinese building as i have shown in the pic, or drive one of the cars as shown here http://www.tejaswy.com/2009/07/13/chinese-car-safe/ or eat the poison food coming out of china http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=3058844 or use those Chinese clothes which are toxic http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2167628,00.html or use those toxic toys http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/3772/.

Makes one wonder is there anything coming out of China which does not kill you?
Seriously!

Food…… toxic …Check
Clothes…. toxic…Check
Medicines… toxic…Check
Cars…… Death traps …Check
Bike……. “Ride faster to death” …Check
Toys…….. toxic…Check
Houses…”I rather sleep under the sky” ..Check.

I don’t know what your Ipod says but mine says ” Designed in California USA” Assembled in China.I don’t want to open up my Ipod!.So if you have any proof that the Ipod was designed in China then please oblige.

I don’t really know why you hate Indians so much.
They never threatened USA unlike the Chinese
http://www.conservativeusa.org/redchina-missile.htm

May be its just me!

As for the bridge, if you cannot build a bridge, do not try a building.

As for Chinese media, do you read Chinese? How do you know things are not reported in China. Let’s end this myth, no media in the world, including India, is “free.” Media will always be constrained by ad revenue, government, and readership. Even if we go by your assumption that India media is free, it has certainly not helped to propelled India ahead of China in terms of growth.

As for your Ipod. Open it up and go through component by component. Contact each company who made that component and ask what percentage of the component is designed in China. What you will come up with is roughly 50%. As for manufacturing of these components, I think Ipod is probably close to 90% made in China. This includes semiconductor manufacturing, where China is not too far behind Taiwan.

Your comparison to USA – USSR during cold war is strange. For all the attention India is paying to China, I don’t really see China reciprocating. India is a not a factor to their decision making. If any perceived threat exists, its only because the USA is using India as a pawn to contain the growth of China.

You cannot compare the falling of this building to anything anywhere in the world.

Look at the sheer magnitude of the failure.
Bridges collapse is nothing when compared to this building collapse.

China is the fastest developing country
We all know that.No one is arguing about that.

They paid a price which we are not willing to pay.
Read “The great leap forward.”
India has a democratic regime which is slow but steady.

Think of India and China as US and USSR in the cold war regime.

I own an Ipod and it says in the back that it was designed in California and not China.

My Nokia say the same too.

If a company sets up another R&D center some where else does not mean that country A is good and Company B is bad.

Google,Microsoft,Sun have R&D centers all over the world

India has a free media,and everything that happens gets reported widely.

Can you say the same about China?

Who knows there probably are more building/bridge collapses that are not reported in the Chinese media.?

See according to the link you gave about Intel Banglore, it says that the due to the audit many people quit and to fill that gap Intel had to fly over people from US to complete the task.

http://is.gd/1vBeg

Please go though the link once again.

Anyway thank you for your beautiful insight to Intel and Google.Dint know that.
Appreciated.

2009
“5 killed in New Delhi metro bridge collapse”
http://is.gd/1wpid

2008
“Five dead, 18 missing in Kashmir bridge collapse”
http://is.gd/1wps0

2006
“Indian Bridge Collapse Death Toll Rises – Kills 34″
http://is.gd/1wpn7

2003
“Bridge collapse kills 22 children in India”
http://is.gd/1wppU

4. I’m well aware of what happened at Intel – Bangalore. You do not need to tell me what happened there. The audit was not the cause of the layoffs nor the project cancellation, it was a convenient, face-saving way to get out of that mess, both for Intel and the Indian management. If you read the first link:

“The project is being tackled at Intel India and Intel US has flown a number of validation staff and architects to help out with the problems with Whitefield (WFD).”

“There are serious problems with WFD’s architecture and the validation environment also leaves a lot to be desired.”

Indian engineers just couldn’t get it done. This is the real reason. Intel tried it once in India, they will not soon try again. By the way, Intel will open Fab 68 in Dalian China soon, this is $2.5 billion investment that could have gone to India, but did not for obvious reasons: no qualified people in India. Just like Google could not find qualified engineers: http://is.gd/1w592. This does not appear to be a problem at Google’s Beijing office.

As for your Nokia, a sizable part of the design are now being done by fab-less companies in China, not to mention the manufacturing. I dare to say, most of your consumer electronics (from TV to cellphones) are now 50% designed in China, and 80% manufactured in China. Companies like Nokia, Sony, Panasonic, Dell, Apple, etc… just slap a brand on it. When you own a western-branded product, you are really owning China designed and manufactured product with a foreign label. Unless you are in the industry, this will not be something you would be aware of.

The pictures you show speak more to Chinese greed and lack of government over-sight than Chinese engineering skills.

My comment to Indians is instead of throwing cheap shots at China, take a look at what they are doing right and learn from it. It’s no coincidence that they have gone from being nowhere to now the 3rd largest world economy (http://is.gd/1w4QZ as of January 2009, 15% larger than Germany) in 30 years. By all estimations, they will be the leading economy in another 30 years. This is just astounding growth, and is not something that can be stopped no matter how many cheap shots you throw at them.

Is an American Hacker??

Huh!

2.The IQ thing is probably true…But you conveniently chose to ignore Index of Democratization in the same report.

What do you have to say about that ?
Democracy In China…!!!!
Human rights in China..!!

3.Sorry dude I don’t like ripoffs and will probably will never be owning one.I will stick to my Nokia 1100 rather than owning a rip off Iphone.

Using a rip off for me is like using a used condom.

But then

“Bunnie Huang is the MIT EE PhD who originally cracked the Xbox encryption. He’s knows what he is talking about, and conversely, you do not:”

Good for you. Use a cigarette box cellphone.I hope it is cool where ever you live, to use one of those ripoffs.

4.Intel chip thing.

You might want to read the links before you give it to me.
Thanks for the link, was a lot of help
I am copying and pasting some text of it…hope it will give you a better insight as to why the project in India failed.

“TOI had reported last month that many Intel employees have been going through a difficult audit process of claims for LTA, drivers’ allowance and HRA, resulting in the exit of some 250 employees.”

“It is also said that Srinivas Raman, Intel’s former director of desktop & enterprise group and the man driving Whitefield, quit Intel in July, partly disappointed with the manner in which the audit process was being conducted.”

Please go through the article … half of the Intel staff quit in middle of the project due to an audit.

What do you expect.?

Any country can assemble parts… R&D takes time and requires knowledge.
You might want to do some reading on the Pentium processor of intel and all the innovations done from Intel Bangalore.

And regardless what you say about India…The picture shown above speaks a thousand words about Chinese engineering itself.

Ever heard of Dharavi…Asia’s biggest slums… They (IQ 82) build better slums than Chinese (IQ 102) buildings.
Their slums can with stand sun rain and cyclone

Sorry, but that is a fact.

Project was internally called WhiteField. I’m also familiar with a well publicized Cisco India project that was canceled and moved to the US, and again because Indian engineers could not hack it.

Your keep throwing cheap shots at China and Chinese engineers, but really, your audience is the Indian community. American and European firms understand there is greater talent in China as compared to India, and this is why the foreign venture capital and industries have invested vastly more in China than India.

From personal experience, I frequent the Silicon Valley, and from my experience in the solar and semiconductor, there is a sizable percentage of top engineers who are Chinese, and the same is not true for Indians.

I already gave you statistics from academic olympiads that point to better education in China compared to India. You could also look at statistics in IQ:
http://is.gd/1vC0L
Average India IQ in 2006 – 82
Average China IQ in 2006 – 108

China bashing seems to be in vogue in India of late, but you rarely see or hear the Chinese mentioning India. Chinese do not see India as competition. I think their priorities are entirely different right now.

FYI as for the Iphone ripoffs:
These are called “shanzhai” products. For some background, read post from Bunnie Huang:
http://is.gd/1vCwe

Bunnie Huang is the MIT EE PhD who originally cracked the Xbox encryption. He’s knows what he is talking about, and conversely, you do not:
http://is.gd/1vCH6

If you consider the Lenovo Ophone to be a ripoff, I wouldn’t really mind owning it over the Iphone:
http://is.gd/1vCQX
http://is.gd/1vCXE

The US has restriction probably because they know that the Chinese will copy the design.Isn’t it what they have done till now?

The Israeli Lavi program was stolen by Chinese air force and converted to JF-10.
We are not talking about bike here anymore.We are talking about Military stuff.Where does the pride in Chinese engineering go here.?

Tata Nano..the $2500 car can and will be sold in US and Europe as they have cleared all the safety standards as prescribed by AAI.
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/10/tata-nano-the-worlds-cheapest-car/

The chinese cars have a blanket ban over europe and some have called them death traps at speeds of over 67Kmph

http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes%3Bread=225621

I can only imagine about bikes.

Please read about Infringement of IPR and not to mention the bad reputation the company gets when its fake product is thought to be real

have you not seen enough Iphone ripoffs…Where do they come from…Certainly not from India.

Coming back to the post topic.

The picture speaks a thousand words.

Never before in the history of engineering some one has seen something so foolish.

Chinese are innovative people
O ya sure…If infringement of copyrights us innovative they sure are innovative.

I haven’t been to shanghai but I would like you to read this post
http://www.tejaswy.com/2009/07/10/chinese-photoshop-marvel/

Go to the last pic
That was innovative indeed.
Is this the so called double digit economy growth.?

Anyway you might want to visit this site too.
http://www.chinasmack.com/

As for your Chinese copying India motor bike post. Do you really believe the Chinese cannot make a better motor bike than the best from India? There are tons of these knockoff companies in China, but that doesn’t mean China cannot do better, original work. I’m in the semiconductor/solar industry, so I can give you some background:

Intel hired hundreds (~300) of Indians in Bangalore to develop the next generation PC chip a few years ago. That project ended in total failure, with most of the hired being laid off. Indian engineers could not hack it. The project was then moved to Israel and the US, and successfully result in what is branded Core 2 Duo today. Well, why not do this in China: USA export license restrictions. Technologies from the likes of Intel are treated like weapons by the US commerce department, they are prohibited to be developed in China, Iran, North Korea, Russia, etc… by US government.

But the Chinese are innovative people, and they are developing these technologies on their own. A quick tour around Pudong, Shanghai will tell you this. In another 20 years, the semiconductor/solar industry, from design to manufacturing will look very different.

Yeah, the Chinese has their attention on more lucrative industries than motor bikes…

Before you lambast the Chinese and their products, take heed:

- Myth propagated by Indians:
India being IT capital of world
- Fact:
http://www.topcoder.com/stat?c=country_avg_rating
China 3, India 15
Indians cannot write good computer programs if their life depended upon it.

- Myth propagated by Indians:
Indians are smart, good at engineering and math
- Fact:
http://www.imo-official.org/results.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_at_the_International_Mathematical_Olympiad
China number 1 since 1989
“India has been taking part in the International Mathematical Olympiad since 1989. The performance of the Indian teams in recent years has been mediocre.”
- Also see:
http://www.jyu.fi/kastdk/olympiads/
http://ioinformatics.org/index.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Chemistry_Olympiad